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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehzouz View Post
    Assalam alaykum,


    I dont think AOB/Maj realised his contradictions when applying the foreign policy of the state situation to that of establishing that state in the first place, maybe if he can answer which army he is referring to that will deal any rebels?
    the armed group (whether it consists of the population of Muslims or part of the army also) that has removed the previous government becomes the standing army of the state
    Maj

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    Once again you are returning to forum with a senseless posts. It is regrettable that there are still some members taking you seriously.

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    Salaam Romia,
    You are absolutely right he should not be taken seriously. This character advocates taking over power by "Jihadi action" and then going about killing sons of Ummah into submission - and at the same time has the audacity to say that method of the Prophet (saw) is not applicable today. Not much difference than the takfiri TTP group in Pakistan who bombs mosques, funerals, markets and schools killing innocent muslims giving the daleel that the Ummah is all kafir because they are supporting the kufr regime by paying taxes to them. Not very difficult to guess whose agenda is being promoted.
    Last edited by Observer; 15-10-2013 at 09:08.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Observer View Post
    JazakAllah Khair for your kind words. My intention in participating on the forum has always been to seek pleasure of Allah (swt), and I will never stay quiet if I see a wrong concept being floated on the forum, whether anyone likes its or not.
    Wassalam
    Barakallah Feek. Everyone should discuss with the aim of establishing the truth for the sake of Allah and be ready to revise what he holds when its error has been unveiled.

    I was really hoping Kanobe would present something with substance or see the error of what he holds but until now we are only seeing justifications and false analogies with Jihad to spread Islam to non-Muslim territories and then more questions when peopel are asking for answers for what he thinks is his method.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saifullah1924 View Post
    Salam & Jzk brother, absolutely agree.
    AOK has taken this thread off topic and is adamant to prove that an invaded nation does not require "a public opionion for Islam" at the time it is being invaded.

    The purpose of this thread (as mentioned many times) is to discuss whether or not the ISLAMIC STATE CAN BE RE-ESTABLISHED VIA THE JIHADI METHOD. Also for proponents to elaborate on what exactly is the JIHADI METHOD!

    Salams
    110% spot-on.

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    Asalaam. I have always been inclined to the jihad method (emotionaly) and was hoping the brother would've presented something more concrete but unfortunatley nothing has changed.

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    Salam Alaykum.

    The fundamental point is that fighting an occupation and establishing the state have two different sharia rules. The party has elaborated its position in regards to Muslims who want to oppose the occupiers physically be they the post-colonial imperialists, their armies or their agents. The party in non of its publications has prohibited armed action against occupiers. However, our adoptions in regards to preserving the Methodology of resuming Islam and assiduity in making sure that we don't cross apply two separate hukm shari that address two different realities has been apparent.

    The pillars of the state are four:

    1. Sovereignty belongs to Allah, from numerous verses in the Quran.
    2. Authority belongs to the Ummah as evidenced by the general nature of the command of giving bayah and the second bayah of aqabah (as the first bayah was for accepting the messengership of syedna Muhammad).
    3. Unilateral leadership, due to the Hadith about chopping the head of the latter imposter caliph.
    4. The opinion of the caliph settles all disputes, as evidenced by Ijma as Sahaba.

    I think the key point to understand from the pillars of the Islamic State is that the authority belongs to the Ummah. Thus, if the Ummah authorise a unilateral leadership to establish Islam then the pillars of the State are met. If the conquered lands accept Islam they will no doubt become part of the Ummah and accept a unilateral leadership that implements Islam. If they don't accept Islam then they have no say in terms of authority. It really is as simple as that. The principle is authority belongs to the Ummah, not the kufaar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Analyst View Post
    Salam Alaykum.

    The fundamental point is that fighting an occupation and establishing the state have two different sharia rules. The party has elaborated its position in regards to Muslims who want to oppose the occupiers physically be they the post-colonial imperialists, their armies or their agents. The party in non of its publications has prohibited armed action against occupiers...
    By "their agents" you don't mean the rulers hand-picked from amongst the people do you? That would not be an occupation because for occupation means that an outside power has invaded with THEIR armies and the party does not see this as occupation. or else jihad to fight the ruler and the muslim armies he controls would be ok from you've said? Do clarify bro.

    If the conquered lands accept Islam they will no doubt become part of the Ummah and accept a unilateral leadership that implements Islam. If they don't accept Islam then they have no say in terms of authority. It really is as simple as that. The principle is authority belongs to the Ummah, not the kufaar.
    Its true that for the State to be established authority is for the ummah who establish it in the first place. For conquered countries authority is irrelevant because they were fought because they refused to be Muslim or pay the jizya in the first place and authority is for the muslims only who pledge the Khalifa. the main thing to realise from what Observer and Mehzouz have explained is that the state is established on a solid foundation of the revived ummah who then can with this solid base subdue others with conquests.

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    Ws. By agents I meant the 'security contractors' like black water.
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    The Jihadi method is not an easy one to defend, as apparent in this thread, because there are no answers to the outstanding questions which have been repeated:

    1) Who performed the Ijtihad? In order for there to be an Ijtihad, the Mujtahid would have to comprehend the current reality and how we arrived it followed by a study of the Islamic legal sources and then a legal deduction of the solution from the evidences which treats the problem he identified when diagnosing the current reality.

    2) The Ijtihad would have to include a sufficiently detailed method for it to be implemented.

    3) The Mujtahid would have to start an organisation or a militia in order to practice his method and advocate others to partake to perform the obligation.

    Since the above is in-existent, it creates many dilemmas, for the virtual Jihadists in particular:

    Who do they profess to support when the groups they claimed they were supporting like the Taliban declare they are willing to establish a civil state, respect America's international order and that they have no ambitions outside the colonialist-drawn borders of Afghanistan? Or are being steered by America directly as they were in Afghanistan in the 80s or indirectly by their agents in Saudi, Qatar and Turkey in Syria?

    As each fighting group conforms to American designs or their finacial backers from America's agents withdraw their support rendering them ineffectual, where do they turn to next? Is it any wonder that the virtual Jihadists who were keen to sing the praises of Hamas or the Taliban now distance themselves from them?

    If the virtual Jihadists exonerate themselves from performing their own unfounded method by claiming they are funding the Jihad so they need not perform the fardh, if this was plausible, then which movement would that be since no movement was ever founded on this method since Ijtihad was ever undertaken?

    That perhaps explains why there are no simple and straight answers forthcoming from the advocates of the Jihadist way to establish the Islamic State.

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